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ORION PLATFORM 2019.2 - ORION MAPS 2.0

Product Manager

The Orion® Platform is designed to consolidate monitoring into a single source of truth, taking massive amounts of data and making it easier to identify issues in complex environments. A key component to this is the organization of data. As an example, if I were to present you with the dashboard below, you can see it’s aggregating a ton of information and highlighting issues from multiple modules like Network Performance Monitor (NPM), Server & Application Monitor (SAM), Virtualization Manager (VMAN), and Storage Resource Monitor (SRM). Single pane of glass, right?  However, it’s not interesting, not even a little bit, and most importantly, it’s not easily interpreted. This dashboard doesn't really help me understand the problem or where to focus.

 

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Simplifying how data is interpreted through better visualizations can provide drastic improvements for understanding problems. Now, if I present you with this view, can you tell me where the problem areas are?

 

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The Orion Maps team believes visualization of your data can be a powerful tool when put together in a meaningful way. Ensuring critical data is available but presenting it in a clear and concise manner allows you to quickly see the problem and its potential impact. Visualizations help tell the story, and can help members of your organization, or clients, understand the breadth and complexity of what you manage on a day-to-day basis. For those of you unfamiliar with the Orion Maps project to date, you may want to review the following posts. These should help paint the picture, no pun intended, on what we’ve delivered with the previous releases.

 

Orion Platform 2018.2 Improvements - Chapter Two - Intelligent Mapping

Orion Platform 2018.4 Improvements - Intelligent Mapping Enhancements

 

With the release of 2019.2, we’ve incorporated some new enhancements designed to extend the flexibility of the platform and provide some amazing new options for representing your environment and critical services.

 

 

ORION MAPS MENU & MANAGEMENT PAGE

 

As a new entry point to maps, an "Orion Maps" menu is now available under My Dashboards and Home. Selecting this option will transport you to the Map Management page.  This will be blank initially, prompting you to create a map.
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It’s important to note here that any user can create a map. If you have access to this menu, you can create maps. However, each of you will only be able to see the maps you created yourself in the list view. The current features on this page will allow you to sort your list by Map Name, Last Updated, and Created Date. There’s also a search bar allowing you to search for maps by name.

 

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Any Orion Administrator will have an additional function when they access this view. A very helpful tool is available in the upper-right corner allowing you to toggle the view to include all user maps vs. just your own. The main components to this page provide the capabilities to create a new map, edit existing maps, delete maps, or view a map by selecting its name.

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MAP EDITOR

Let’s begin by creating a new map via the Map Editor. Selecting New Map will open the basic editor for building maps from scratch. You’ll be greeted by an entity library on the left side, which defaults to a paginated list of your nodes. You can click the drop-down to choose from any entity type in Orion Maps. As always, a search bar is also available. The empty canvas will take up most of the view, and a few controls will be noticeable in the bottom-right corner, along with a Save button and More menu in the upper-right side. Building a map from the basic editor is for those of you who know exactly what you want in the map. For now, this is single drag-and-drop functionality, and any relationships or connections identified will automatically be drawn.

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Like any design tool, built-in functions allow you to manipulate the map. Holding the space bar will allow you to pan the map. Selecting entities will allow you to move objects, and holding the Shift key when moving objects will perform a snap to grid function. Using arrow keys will gently nudge the entity in a desired direction. Holding Shift while using arrows will move the object in larger increments. Holding the Control key or using the + or - buttons will allow you to zoom in or out while working with your map. Probably one of my favorite tools is the Center key in the bottom right. This will not only center your map, but perform a zoom to fit, ensuring the entire map is placed in the viewable area. This is an excellent tool as you expand or condense maps of different scales. Any entity can be removed from a map by selecting it and hitting the Delete key on your keyboard.

 

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Once we have our map situated how we want it, you’ll notice any change in the canvas enables the "Save" button in the upper-right corner.  Clicking save will generate a dialogue, which will allow you to add a unique name. This will warn you in the event you attempt to name your map with a previously used name.

 

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Under the MORE menu, a number of options will be presented to you. "New" will allow you to start a new map and a blank canvas, much like the name implies. "Save As" is particularly useful if a map has been shared with you, or as an administrator you’re editing a map you didn’t create. Unless you’re the one who created the original map, you won’t be allowed to "Save" but will have to perform a "Save As" and rename the map. "Delete" needs little explanation, but again, if this isn’t your map, then the delete option will be grayed out. I’ll cover the "View" button a bit later in this post in more detail, and the "Help" button of course links to formal documentation for much of the items discussed in this post.

 

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LEVERAGING CONTEXTUAL MAPS

We have massive plans to improve upon the function of building maps as we understand one of the biggest needs is expediting map creation and limiting the number of touches to maintain them. Feel free to share what you believe would make a difference in the comment section below. In this release, we’re taking advantage of the framework and functionality delivered previously through the contextual sub-views. If or when viewing an automatically generated map from the Node or Group Details sub-views, you’ll now see a new button added to the menu bar, "Open Map in Editor." Essentially, I can use the existing functionality to take a pre-built map, expand it further, and have what was done within the sub-view persisted and sent to the new map editor with the click of a button. The images below should show a basic demonstration of this workflow. This is a great way to build maps quickly and then make final adjustments in the editor before saving.

 

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Expanding the map through automatically discovered relationships

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Of course, using the built-in tools to move objects around the canvas, snap to grid, and taking advantage of the center/auto-fit tool as you make adjustments can help you properly create a representation that makes the most sense for your organization. Once I’ve saved the map, what do I do now?

 

ORION MAPS WIDGET

As maps are saved, they’ll be accessible as a Map Project from the list view under the Map Management page. You’ll also find a new widget available in the Widget Drawer, allowing you to add any of your custom maps to a dashboard or view. Click the pencil in the upper-left side marked Customize Page, then click Add Widgets, and the resource will be located under the Network Maps section called Orion Map.

 

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Drag and drop as many of these widgets out to the page as you wish, and click "Edit" or "Choose Map" to specify a map from your list. A dialogue will contain options to customize a title or subtitle and specify the widget height by pixels. A list of maps will be shown, along with a search option for quickly identifying the map you wish to use. Like the Map Management page, admins will also have the option to see all user-created maps by clicking the toggle on the right side.

 

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Click "save" and your map will now be available. Another one of my favorite features is we managed to build the widget where it‘ll automatically scale the map according to the size you specified. By adjusting the height and the column width, your map will auto-fit the available space, making it fast and easy to get the map exactly where you want on your dashboard, at just the right size.

 

 

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With the ability to incorporate these maps alongside other widgets in the dashboard, you have some amazing new ways in which to roll up critical problems within your environment.  Below is a quick example of what one may look like.

 

 

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ENHANCED NODE STATUS

If you are unaware, or have yet to come across this post, Orion Platform 2019.2 - Enhanced Node Status by aLTeReGo, we’ve included some very significant updates in how we highlight status in the Orion Platform. The desire for improvements in status was a consistent theme we heard during user research with maps as well, and the difference this change makes is awesome. To steal an excerpt from aLTeReGo's post: The example below shows the exact same environment. The first image shows what this environment looked like in the previous release using Classic Status. Notice the absence of any obvious visual cues denoting issues in the environment. The next image to the right is of the very same environment, taken at the exact same time as the image on the left. The only notable difference is this image was taken from a system running Orion Platform 2019.2 with Enhance Node Status.

 

 

In both examples, there are the exact same issues going on in the environment, but these issues were obfuscated in previous releases, making the troubleshooting process less intuitive and unnecessarily time-consuming. With Enhanced Status, it's now abundantly clear where the issues lie, and with the topology and relationship information from Orion Maps, it's now easier to assess the potential impact those issues are having on the rest of the environment.

 

 

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INTERACTING WITH THE MAP WIDGET AND VIEW MODE

Now that you have an amazing visualization of your environment and the issues are clearly identified, a closer look may be in order. There are a couple of different methods for interacting with your maps. The first method takes advantage of the improvements made to the Orion Hovers and are accessible from the Map Widget.  By hovering over an entity in your map, performance status will be available and should highlight exactly why your entity is in a degraded state. You will also be able to access the Commands menu, which will allow you to Go To Details pages, Edit Node, Mute Alerts, or Unmanage the entity directly from the map!  This behavior will be the same if a group is on a map, or if you have nested maps.  You can see that the commands option for a map includes viewing a map, editing a map, or muting alerts associated to a map!  From here, you can choose to use the command options or simply click on the entity in the map. By doing so it will take you to the details page automatically as pictured below.  The View Mode, which can also be accessed as a button in the top right of the Map Widget, is a full screen depiction of that map and all its entities, allowing you to investigate further utilizing the inspector panel to show related entities, alerts, and recommendations, if viewing virtual entities.

 

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FEEDBACK

This release marks another significant step for the Orion Maps project and we hope you find these new enhancements valuable and useful in your environment.  I plan to write and attach a couple other posts to this announcement around using Maps in Alerts and Reporting.  Of course with each release, we find your feedback extremely valuable, and much of what has been done to this point centers around your asks.  Please be sure to comment below and SHARE YOUR MAPS and DASHBOARDS!  Stay tuned as we are already hard at work on the next major release and have some very cool stuff in store. 

 

Check out the other posts form serena and aLTeReGo on 2019.2 Platform improvements if you haven't already!

Orion Platform 2019.2 - Install/Upgrade Improvements Part 1

Orion Platform 2019.2 - Install/Upgrade Improvements Part 2

Orion Platform 2019.2 - Enhanced Node Status

Orion Platform 2019.2 - Additional Improvements

Orion Platform 2019.4 - Orion Maps is Now Available

ORION PLATFORM - 2020.2 RELEASE CANDIDATE - AN ORION MAP TO SUCCESS!

48 Comments
Level 14

Thanks for sharing this.  I am really looking forward to our next upgrade so we can use this awesome feature.

Also, the link to the enhanced node status article errors out:

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Level 12

I just finished my upgrade to 2019.2. I'm looking forward to getting my hands dirty with these new features.

Product Manager
Product Manager

Should work now smttysmth02gt - it was being edited at the time. 

Level 11

Is it possible to add multiple nodes by drag and drop rather than one by one ?

Do you plan to have an auto generated map ?

Thanks

Product Manager
Product Manager

For now vinx​ it is one by one.  The other option you have is to build a map through the contextual views which can be a bit faster depending on what you are trying to accomplish.  Building maps faster is a big theme for this next release.  I would love to hear more of your thoughts on what an auto-generated map means to you.  How would you see that working?  Please provide any details you are thinking about that would be an important piece of accomplishing what you are hoping for. 

I only see good coming from this.  Thank you for the work!

Level 20

This has been a LONG time coming.  I wasn't very happy for years after you added the new NTM map product but left the old network atlas in place.  I'm just hoping the maps will exploit all the data in the database already and NOT 100% depend on things like cdp and ndp.  It's great when those protocols are running and they of course should be used but... if they aren't there and we know interfaces are connected due to IP's and subnets that are there in the database can't they be displayed anyhow? I found that initial new mapping sometimes didn't work and didn't always show a whole lot for some parts of my network.  I think this is because some set of requirements were necessary for anything to display... when often all those requirements aren't necessary to understand the network layout.

Product Manager
Product Manager

Thank you ecklerwr1​.  We certainly still have a LONG ways to go to.  NTM will still have its place and for now not a part of this project.  The Orion Maps feature is built and designed to help visualize the wealth of data that is obtained through each of the Orion Modules.  Some of the pain points you are describing you may also want to share with the NPM team around how you would like to see topology improved.  The Maps Team hopes to provide some unique options for representing this data, but in general, we continue to work off the data available to us.  We are hard at work at addressing some of those long time feature requests out there around "connecting things when one side of the link is managed", or when "topology didn't automatically detect a connection I expected" and we look forward to sharing that with you.  Perhaps the solution might be something which combines the best of both... 

Level 7

I'll start by saying; I really REALLY like the maps feature built in to Orion. I've always hated Atlas (there, I said it). Atlas was flexible, but slow, kludgy, and RDP'ing into the server to create and edit maps was so early-2000s-ish.

Orion maps is clean and responsive. I've created maps for our core, and a map for each of the buildings in our campus. It took hardly any time to create an Orion Maps that shows nearly everything I am looking for when I want a quick view of my network.

There's a few things that would make this par excellence;

High Priority - Ability to create manual links between icons.

  • Not all devices are recognized in SolarWinds with L2/L3 connectivity. We have lots of weird stuff (lab equipment, SCADA, custom and off-brand/white-box/no-name stuff, etc). Most of this we are just monitoring up/down status and a link should show the relationships of which equipment hangs off of each switch.
  • I would like to show a relationships between icons of SolarWinds groups and other maps. I can add an icon that links to another map, and I can add an icon that links to a group. A link to a map (or group) would provide a quick reminder of the relationship. This would also allow me to build a high-level map for those management-type to look at.

Medium Priority - Ability to adjust how links are routed. When a device has lots of connections the near side can get very cluttered and unreadable. I know we can zoom in, but it's nice to be able to scan a quick one-page view all at once.

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Low Priority - Once I've clicked on a map, and am viewing it, would be nice to have a link that goes back to the Maps list. (I know, I can do this via custom menus).

Other:

  • Zooming in/out.
    • When I zoom out on a device map (click on device details, then choose the map view), the view changes. That is, the node details eventually go away hen I zoom out enough and the icons turn to solid circles. Then the labels eventually go away if I continue to zoom out. Etc.
    • But this doesn’t happen on custom maps. The icons and text just get smaller, and smaller, and smaller...

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  • Centering the view still leaves some objects offscreen. On a side note, it's labeled "Center" but it really seems to "Zoom All to Fit".

  • Would be nice to have a "reset zoom" or "zoom to 100%" or something.

  • Also some weirdness when editing; if I click-and-drag an icon and drag that link off the window, I can't "let go" of that device. It continues to follow my mouse movements regardless of what I click or don't click (Windows 10, happens with both Chrome and Firefox).
Product Manager
Product Manager

bluegrue​ If I could "like" this post a million times I would!  You have now just set the bar for anyone ever wanting to share feedback again!  This info and the detail you shared is perfect!  I have a few follow ups for you. 

In the High Priority section - you mention wanting to show a link that just represents a relationship to something that could be hanging off a switch. 

  • Not all devices are recognized in SolarWinds with L2/L3 connectivity. We have lots of weird stuff (lab equipment, SCADA, custom and off-brand/white-box/no-name stuff, etc). Most of this we are just monitoring up/down status and a link should show the relationships of which equipment hangs off of each switch.
  • JB - Do you just want a black line or would you want to leverage a dependency (blue line) to show that?  Does this line/ connection need to have some sort of status or just be there for a visual indication of that relationship.

  • I would like to show a relationships between icons of SolarWinds groups and other maps. I can add an icon that links to another map, and I can add an icon that links to a group. A link to a map (or group) would provide a quick reminder of the relationship. This would also allow me to build a high-level map for those management-type to look at.
  • JB - Same thought process here?

Medium Priority - Ability to adjust how links are routed. When a device has lots of connections the near side can get very cluttered and unreadable. I know we can zoom in, but it's nice to be able to scan a quick one-page view all at once.

  • JB - What would make this better?  Are you looking to be able to change lines to curved or right angles etc...?

Low Priority - Once I've clicked on a map, and am viewing it, would be nice to have a link that goes back to the Maps list. (I know, I can do this via custom menus).

  • JB - Like "Load Map"?

Other:

  • Zooming in/out.
    • When I zoom out on a device map (click on device details, then choose the map view), the view changes. That is, the node details eventually go away hen I zoom out enough and the icons turn to solid circles. Then the labels eventually go away if I continue to zoom out. Etc.
    • But this doesn’t happen on custom maps. The icons and text just get smaller, and smaller, and smaller...
    • JB - which do you prefer?  Or do you have other thoughts?

  • Also some weirdness when editing; if I click-and-drag an icon and drag that link off the window, I can't "let go" of that device. It continues to follow my mouse movements regardless of what I click or don't click (Windows 10, happens with both Chrome and Firefox).
  • JB - have you updated to HF1 yet?  We believe this should be resolved but need to look again if this is still occurring. 

Thank you so much for sharing the feedback and your maps!  We are hard at work on the next version and I think it will certainly have some items that hit the mark!

Product Manager
Product Manager

Have you checked out the latest Maps Beta in the NPM Beta Forum?

MVP
MVP

Nice, although I'd love to see some of the functionality we have in Network Atlas maps added.   Such as, if there is a maps resource on a "Group Details" page.    There is a "Map name format" where if I choose a format and have a map saved with naming scheme, such as "Group ${Caption}", it will substitute the name and load that map.  So if I'm in the group "Building 101", it would load the map named "Group Building 101".

Right now if I want to drop one of these maps on a page like this, that map shows up on all my group pages, not ideal!!

Product Manager
Product Manager

Thanks cnorborg​ this is well understood.  This may be something the Maps Team can do in a future release, but it may also really be that we need to make adjustments to how Groups function.  There have been multiple times where users want to add other widgets outside of a map to a Group Details page and have it not impact every group page.  Great feedback! 

Level 9

Has anyone found away to Export the Maps to either PDF or Visio?

Product Manager
Product Manager

Can you share your use case or the problem you are trying to solve?  You can certainly export a map to PDF through standard browser behaviors.  There are also plenty of extensions that allow you to do this also.  What are you looking to export into Visio for?

Level 9

I need to submit our current architecture for review. I am on a closed network. I built our Region Map using Orion 2.0 Maps. I want to export the map to either Visio or PDF.  We have a huge map and to start making this in Visio would take for ever.

It would be also nice if I could add above the Link speed the interfaces so i do not have to click on the link.

What browser extension can accomplish this?

Since I am closed network I might not be able to load a extension. Does Solarwinds have any tools to export the map?

Also

I have licenses for Network Topology Mapper but have issues getting it installed. I know that can export and do want I need but due to closed network and strict polices it will not install.

Product Manager
Product Manager

Orion Map projects do not have a native method through the UI to export as of this release. However, your browser certainly should be able to provide those options. In Chrome I simply jump into View Mode - hide the Inspector Panel, and then press Ctrl+P (or Cmd+P if you are on a Mac) to open the Print dialog. Change the Destination from your printer to “Save as PDF.”

For NTM you should be able to download the file from your customer portal.  If you are having some sort of difficulty you should certainly check with Support. 

Level 9

This is just taking a screen shot basically i want to be able to zoom in and out of the map.  I have such a large map when its viewed you cannot read anything. I would have to take muliple screenshots and then stitch the images together.

Saving to pdf doesnt allow you to see anything clearer if i zoom in. You are just saving the map zoomed out to fit the browser window with nothing readable.

I want the actual map to be sent to PDF or Visio just like Network Topology Mapper does.

The install is not the issue, I have all Solarwinds Products.. government contract. Its the program that will not install due to polices plus it has not been updated since 2016 its an old program.

Product Manager
Product Manager

I would recommend creating a feature request with relevant details.  This is good feedback and something we can certainly consider for a future release. 

Level 9

Glad to hear you guys are aware of the feature requests. These are what I have always had issues with in solar winds mapping. If the database knows exactly how they are connected its great but there is always something it doesnt detect properly so the map is not really acurate.

Best solution is a way to update the connection database in NPM not just on the map so that going forward the database knows that device A and B are connected over Port X.

Product Manager
Product Manager

Yep!  Make sure to check out the Orion Maps Beta Post in the NPM or SAM beta forums!

Level 8

Nice enhancements!

Level 13

As others have already stated, a big must is the ability to add multiple objects at once.  Also, finding objects is really hard.  We can only search for them.  There is no ability to group/filter entities based on system or custom properties. 

For example, I want to add all nodes at a certain site that is labelled by a "L_SiteCode" custom property.  In Network Atlas I can just "Group by" the Node custom property of "L_SiteCode", expand the value for the site I want to select nodes from, CTRL-click the nodes I want, then drag and drop all of them onto the screen.  Boom.  Done.  With the new maps I would need to open up Manage Nodes in a separate tab and find all of the nodes I want, then come back to the new Orion Maps tab and search for each node one by one, dragging them onto the screen.  Super bummer.  Honestly makes the new maps unusable for anything other than small maps...  I don't have the time to build large maps one node at a time.

The other big thing, that others have also stated but I will still reiterate, is the ability to build both automatic and manual connections between devices.  In Network Atlas if I manually build a link between two nodes and assign the interfaces to that link, I don't get the same features and capabilities as that link being built automatically through the topology feature.  Honestly, if you guys just added that feature to Network Atlas and brought it into the web console, I would be happy. 

Product Manager
Product Manager

xtraspecialj​ we were honestly just waiting for you to ask!

Introducing the latest release of Orion Maps:  ORION PLATFORM 2019.4 - ORION MAPS RC

Level 13

Nice!  I am content then.  Thank you much!

Level 11

Does this map connections through a GRE Tunnel ?

Orion is able to monitor routing neighbors and route tables. So this would be a huge benefit.

Product Manager
Product Manager

It all depends on what is detected through the topology polling.  I have seen in some cases this automatically detected or some users actually need to update a config file.  However, I would encourage you to review the latest RC - ORION PLATFORM 2019.4 - ORION MAPS RC (NPM Forum)

In the event a connection you are hoping to see is not automatically detected, you can certainly use the Orion Map Editor to manually define these connections yourself.  This would then allow the connection to be visible from Node Details pages in the NPM Topology Widget and any map where the two entities exist. 

Level 8

It is my understanding that the maps build connections using the CDP/LLDP tables (layer 2), so you can try enabling CDP/LLDP on the GRE tunnel. It does build connection off of layer 3 but I found the layer 3 connections to be random and changes frequently. If you enable CDP/LLDP on the tunnel it should automatically build the connection in Orion Maps. I did a little bit of researching to see that this is possible on at least one Cisco ASR router.  (: The upcoming Orion Maps will allow you to build connections manually, which would solve your issue, but I like to lean towards build a network that is dynamic as possible.
Cisco ASR 901 Series Aggregation Services Router Software Configuration Guide - Layer 2 Control Prot...

Thank you for asking this question, because where I am we need to consider this feature.

Product Manager
Product Manager

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MVP
MVP

Very nice article on mapping. This is a critical area of all networks that so often gets neglected. This tool now allows a lot better customization and visualization than in the past and I'm really excited to get to use it with my customers.

Level 9

jblankjblank​ - Am I missing the ability to rename nodes here? If I use a node in an Orion Map, I get the full name of the device. For us, this is great for names of devices in the rest of Solarwinds, but this is far too long for display in a map. What options do I have?

Product Manager
Product Manager

jcordle​ - You cannot rename entities on the canvas today.  We simply weren't able to reach that point in this release.  However, it is certainly something we are working on, along with being able to size objects, rename them, and additional labels, etc... 

Level 10

Hello. I have some old dashboard with "Network Quality Map" widget, which I edit in desktop "NetworkAtlas" application.

Can new Orion Maps replace Atlas maps? Atlas maps are deprecated then?

Level 9

Is it possible to add the same node to a map in the Orion Maps interface more than one time/location?   For example, if you have a switch that connects to both the outside and inside interfaces of a firewall using different non-routed VLANs it would be nice to include that switch node on the map twice to depict the logical flow of data as it travels the network.    I was able to do this with Atlas, but have not been able to figure it out with the new Orion Maps tool.

Product Manager
Product Manager

As of the release written in this post, you would now have an Orion Maps widget that can be added to any view or dashboard to display a map created in the Orion Maps Editor.  The latest shipping release is actually the following: Orion Platform 2019.4 - Orion Maps is Now Available - which has a host of new features and functionality.  Network Atlas has not been deprecated as of writing this response, but eventually will be. You may also take a look at the latest Orion Maps Beta in the SAM Beta Forum.

Level 10

Got it, thank you

Product Manager
Product Manager

It is not possible to add the same entity twice to a map.  The connection between two entities will roll up all connections between those two entities.  Those connection types are either based on topology, ADM, or dependencies for now.  If you are wanting to depict multiple connections, you certainly could pull the interfaces out onto the canvas as well as the nodes.  Something similar to this:

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Product Manager
Product Manager

2020.2 Orion Maps Beta available in the NPM and SAM Beta Forums!  Jump in and get a sneak peak at what is coming next!

Level 10

An issue I'm having with Orion maps that i could use some input on.  We have a network with QoS intended to protect high priority traffic.  When discards occur, which is the expected behavior, the circuit displays as red, indicating an issue.  This is a false positive, but would really like the ability to control the color of links (e.g. keep it green despite discards).  Any ideas?  Thanks 

Product Manager
Product Manager

@tkercher - this is a great topic to open a discussion about.  If i dissect what you are asking for, I am not necessarily sure this is anything specific to Orion Maps or should even be solved through maps.  I agree that technically you are seeing a false positive, but why you are seeing this is where I think we need to focus our attention to and do better.  In the current platform and NPM product, all errors and discards are lumped together into one bucket.

I believe we can do better here and I would recommend a feature request in which errors and discards are separated into different buckets with different thresholds.  This could of course be taken even further because not all errors or discards are created equally either.  Each of these in my opinion could have their own thresholds which could impact visuals within a map separately and perhaps interface status.  

I have had some discussion with @jason.carrier on this topic and he is aware.  We would love to see more feedback from the community on this topic.    

Level 10

@jblankjblank thank you for your response.  While I agree that separating errors and discards would be a benefit (i've actually created separate alerts for errors and discards), my issue is with the way Orion Maps handles errors/discards versus how Network Atlas handles the same thing.  My experience with Network Atlas is that the links only change from green to red when the interfaces are down.  If not down, they circuits remain green (in my case anyway) regardless of whether errors or discards exist.  However, Orion Maps displays circuits with errors/discards as either amber or red (i suppose depending on a threshold).  Most of my circuits with discards are displayed as RED, which makes it impossible to know if the circuit is down or just has discards (which in my case are intended) without drilling down into the individual maps.  And while I like the additional detail of knowing there is an issue on the circuit, there needs to be a clear indication the circuit is down.  Reserve RED for circuits that are down, and maybe leverage other colors to indicate discards, errors, and other potential issues.

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@tkercher - very interesting.  You are correct that Network Atlas previously represented issues based on the interface being down or up.  However, this was a problem for many users interested in creating a visual representation of their environment.  Orion Maps does currently leverage any of the metrics that have relative thresholds in order to change the status of that link.  We are working on indications to ensure that users are able to see a critical threshold has been breached vs an actual down link.  For now what you would be able to do is adjust thresholds based on those errors and discards.  Would that help in this case?

Level 10

@jblankjblank okay, partial solution.  By going to the interface with discards, i can 'override' the global value and use the baseline value which is more apt not to go into alarm.  However, i strongly encourage Solarwinds to select color designations which differentiate between "down" and threshold violations.

Level 8

Personally, I was never a an of Atlas and ever since the maps feature was added to the Node tabs, I hoped we would get to this point of a true modern replacement.

I'll be interested to see how enhanced mode status treats LACP EtherChannel; links between nodes.  Currently the only way I can show the status of a link which could have 8 individual links is to add those multiple links as per your example above, for me it doesn't scale. 

I'm quite happy to see the traffic/utilisation of the port channel displayed, but I need the state of the node or link to change to Amber if a member of said LACP link was down.

I would certainly like to see the option to manually link nodes with the choice of a specific link, I appreciate the need to get away from static maps but it also ties my hands to nodes advertising L2/L3 information between them.

Scaling and providing useful information out of all the noise I gather has always been the challenge for me.

The ability to change size, text, location, being such a small feature is such an important feature for me, especially trying to build a complex map that could have by default quite long hostnames.

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@robt 

This is awesome feedback and I would really really love to sync up with you on this and dive into more detail. I don't think this is an undertaking that can be tackled by the maps team alone in this case but a collaboration between @jason.carrier and I.  Interfaces aren't necessarily a part of "Enhanced Status" yet but I know its something we are hoping to include.

As for your other requests! Look no further - please check out the latest post on the ALL NEW VERSION OF ORION MAPS.

ORION PLATFORM - 2020.2 RELEASE CANDIDATE - AN ORION MAP TO SUCCESS!

Level 8

Feel free to message me directly, historically I never had that much time to provide that much feedback, or as much as I would have liked to.  I just appreciate whatever I get.  I'll probably be able to provide more once i schedule in an upgrade and play with it.

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@robt 

Speaking of an upgrade - I got something there for you too. Please be sure to check out this post - 

ORION PLATFORM - 2020.2 RELEASE CANDIDATE - A GATEWAY TO YOUR FASTEST UPGRADE EVER!

myself or my partner in crime @kbongi will reach out and see what works with your schedule. We would very much appreciate however much time you can share with us to provide those details around what would work for you and your organization. Thanks again for the great feedback.

Level 9

@robt 

It doesn't look like I can message you direct. Email me at kristin.bongiovanni@solarwinds.com and let's schedule a time to talk - anything that works for your schedule!

I look forward to hearing from you!