Provide the ability to monitor a node via SNMP, ICMP and/or WMI. Drives via WMI and system via SNMP with the option of ICMP or not. This would allow the best of both worlds.
I’d like to see the option to use both SNMP and WMI methods.
I monitor using SNMP across the board, but I want some of the options that WMI monitoring offers such as an account associated with the node (for service control via Solarwinds etc.) and Disk Performance stats without needing to install “SNMP Informant Standard” on all my servers, or add additional monitors manually.
I’m not saying that the same info should be gathered by both methods. I’m sure that the bods at Solarwinds know which data is best pulled from SNMP and which from WMI? If not, they could give the admin the choice of setting one as the primary method.
This is the exact problem I have I want hardware health monitoring but also wanted the Disk Performance Stats. One needs SNMP and one needs WMI. At least set the options for each section rather than globally on a node.
I don't think I would need to use it often, but it would be nice to have the option. I would think that performance would come into play at certain points, being that WMI consumes about 5 times more resources than SNMP, and now you would be combining them into a single poll. But it could have some advantages on a case by case basis.
The idea would be to use SNMP for those items that it can efficiently return, & WMI for those that SNMP cannot do natively or accurately (Disk performance & Uptime among others). Also, having both methods defined would associate a valid Windows account with the node. This would mean that Node Management options such as Service restarts, would run without stopping & requesting a credential. Also, those of us that want disk performance stats, would not need to add application monitors to every node nor install SNMP Informant on every node, because WMI monitoring configures Disk Performance gathering automatically.
I need snmp only badly so nodes can be green behind firewalls which will never allow icmp to pass them. The areas aren't big enough to justify putting a poller in there by itself. As it is now all of these nodes I monitor are red down all the time according to NPM even though everything else about them is fine except for lack lack echo return.
This has got to change soon! On a Dell, SNMP allows you to monitor all hardware stats. However WMI limits you from seeing 'DISK' 'INTRUSION' 'BATTERY' and 'ARRAY'. WMI is good because it has the disk IOPS, and SNMP does not. C'mon man! There's got to be a better way to get it all.
Ecklerw1>> sounds like a new request for modifying the way NPM tells whether a system is UP or DOWN would be what you need. I would like this too so if you setup the feature request, I'll vote on it for sure.
I think it will fall under this because snmp only would allow the node to be green without icmp :^}
I see this as a requirement, mainly due to the fact that Microsoft will be getting rid of the SNMP Agent after Windows Server 2012 and we would then need the alternative WMI as an option when adding Windows nodes to SolarWinds.
With my current client, this is showing how needed this feature is. We have to use a variety of credentials but where we are suffering the most is physical sql servers. We want to use SNMP to get the topology but need to use WMI to get windows mount points and disk queue lengths. Bump this one up!
My biggest pet peeve is that when you use WMI you lose the Hardware Health monitoring you have with SNMP, though there may be another way of doing this that I don't know about. I also prefer to get topology info as well.
This is true for HP servers as well. Two identical servers, one on WMI and one on SNMP. The WMI server does not display any BATTERY information. And as anyone who has worked with HP's in the past knows, those battery fail frequently.
I've been reading on this and apparently there is a way of pulling SNMP info from WMI, you would just need to write a polling script for it.
Our security folks are not allowing SNMP on any new servers, so the ability pull at minimum the network stats via WMI in NPM is critical. We don't want to incrementally loose capabilities where the only option is to buy an additional product to get them back. Help support us long time customers of SW by beefing up the WMI capabilities... Thanks!
I like this idea. We should be able to pick and choose any type of monitoring, including multiple methods.
I agree
With SNMP being deprecated in Server 2012 I can see this functionality being phased out in the next 5 years in favour of PowerShell queries. Of course, if you happen to still be running Windows 2000 servers in 2014 then you might need a little longer
You can do SNMP without ICMP now in NPM 11.0.1. When you add a new node choose SNMP and ICMP (counter-intuitive). Then when you get to the part where you choose the resources you can change it from ICMP to SNMP under Status & Response Time. You can edit the values for an existing node by clicking List Resources.
Get more points... I mean, SNMP and WMI or SMI and SNMP ... I think I could live with both options of duality.
Similarly, I'd like to see this include SNMP and agent as option, but I wasn't sure if this needed a separate feature request so I created for that.
Please.....please give us the functionality of WMI and SNMP so we your customers can poll nodes using the more accurate and suitable method for specific probes. I have to go to the windows perfmon counters to troubleshoot a current disk I/O bottleneck issue.
I'd like to see something like this too. I think what would be nice is if you have the ability to enter in credentials/information for SNMP and WMI on the edit node screen (But still pick a specific type for polling). Then the application templates could just use that information you entered for either WMI/SNMP depending on the polling method the template needs, rather than the templates requiring that the polling method be that specific type for it to work.
Would love to see something like this. Running into a brick wall because I can't monitor Dell OSMA with WMI and I can use various SAM templates as well. For the bulk of the systems I monitor it isn't a big deal, but of course there are some that ideally need both.
if anyone has any further information on that "pulling SNMP info from WMI" script. I'd love to hear about it.
I too need both the SNMP and WMI methods of polling...new to the forum, can't find the 'vote' function though?
thedl that's because it's being worked on. It's no longer a question of whether it's going to be worked on or not, which is what FR's do.
BUMP!!
I agree.
Agreed
As others have mentioned above, WMI and SNMP provide different hardware details, WMI typically will pull everything but the array, SNMP does everything but Battery and System Enclosure in most cases so it would be beneficial if you could poll both.
