15 Replies Latest reply on Sep 1, 2009 7:58 PM by scottkwei

    Orion perfmon client - why the change?

      I am running orion perfmon 9.5 sp1 currently.  Why did you guys remove the ability to make changes in the console?  Now you have to click on the Manage button and make a name change from a webpage pop up.  I am really missing this feature so please put it back.  PLease! PLEASE!

       

        • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
          bshopp

          I would like to dig into this some more.  Why do you prefer to use system manager?  Is there a problem with the web node management?  We are moving more items over to the web as it allows us more flexability and now multiple people can access etc.

            • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
              jp

              To note, under 9.1 I'm not having any problems managing any nodes using System Manager.

              I don't like the web interface as it's quite slow and difficult to do bulk changes myself.

              -JP

              • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                jp

                To note, under 9.1 I'm not having any problems managing any nodes using System Manager.

                I don't like the web interface as it's quite slow and difficult to do bulk changes myself.

                -JP

                  • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                    bshopp

                    So if the web interface was quicker, what other objections or issues would you have in using the web interface instead of the client?

                      • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?

                        The web is definitely slow as well as another added step to crawl through but it is not the reason of objection for me.  Some people prefer to work in web client and some people don't.  can't see why we can't do both.     

                          • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?

                            I'd prefer to have the option to administer nodes from both the web and system manager.

                            I typically have RDP sessions into all my solarwinds servers and tend to "administer" them from within a remote desktop. Thats how one typicall works on a server. Why should Solarwinds be locked down to a web client?

                              • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                                ecornwell

                                This question was talked about a lot after the release of 9.5.  It basically comes down to this... System Manager and Web Functionality are 2 seperate code trains and have to be managed as such.   When a new feature would be added, it is likely it would have to be coded twice thus slowing down development.   There are many systems I administer that are now web only and we've recently upgraded a few that went to web only.  We've not been using NPM as long as others but basically everyone uses the web interface including me and I'm the main admin. 

                                We have some camera software that cheats this kind of system...   They have a client you can run on the server and a web version.  The only difference is that the server version loads the web version into a slightly different interface so it looks like software running on the server.  Its the way this company decided to keep both sets of customer bases happy but its really the same thing. I don't think that's what we want to see here.

                                Overall I think having things web managed is a good move forward.  Its easy to access from anywhere and to allow multiple people in at the same time.  The speed isn't as good yet but it will get better over time.  That's just my opinion.

                                  • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                                    Congo

                                    I was involved much in the discussion of this a long time ago like ecornwell mentions here.

                                    Since this discussion forever ago, I have adapted somewhat to the usage of the web console, and aside from the speed issues (which we are attempting to resolve ourselves) I find it less heinous than before.

                                    One thing to add that I can not seem to do anymore, is manually force a poll or rediscovery of a node. This used to be done in SM. It helped somewhat when troubleshooting odd quirks within NPM.

                                    • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                                      denny.lecompte

                                      This question was talked about a lot after the release of 9.5.  It basically comes down to this... System Manager and Web Functionality are 2 seperate code trains and have to be managed as such.   When a new feature would be added, it is likely it would have to be coded twice thus slowing down development.   There are many systems I administer that are now web only and we've recently upgraded a few that went to web only.  We've not been using NPM as long as others but basically everyone uses the web interface including me and I'm the main admin. 

                                      Couldn't have said it better myself.  If X engineers can build Y features, then delivering the same feature in two UIs counts as two features (more or less). 

                                       

                                      We are fixing the speed issue.  We added paging in SP4, and that should help a lot.  Let us know how you like it with paging.  We're listening.  We'll do more to make it faster.  I'm not ruling anything out, but I'd like to have you make your judgments on a faster web console.

                                        • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                                          darryld

                                          "If X engineers can build Y features, then delivering the same feature in two UIs counts as two features (more or less)"

                                          I understand this equation with respect to future developments but not with retaining existing functionality. Customers who are happy with one way of working don't like being forced to use another. This has come up a lot in recent training courses

                              • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                                jrutski

                                Just to add: we went from 8.5 straight to 9.5...I had to re-write a bunch of custom resources in .NET. That being said, the 9.5 web UI (at least I think so) is MUCH improved.

                                The use of .NET charting not only looks sooo much nicer, but also has more flexability- such as trend lines and not being limited to chart widths of 1500 px etc.

                                But the ability to manage pretty much everything from the web console is outstanding for us. Being that we are a small shop, it used to be that I was the only one that got on the Orion server to make changes...even simple stuff like adding a single node or two. But now, that burden has been lifted. Also, Network Atlas is a GodSend. I don't know how many times I used to make asinine little changes to maps just to make the mgr happy. Well guess what: now he has Network Atlas and can make all the map changes he wants!

                                If I'm not mistaken, the only thing really left on the Orion server is the Alerts console, and SysLogs Rules.

                                I should mention that we only have about 800 elements...and the DB is on the same server as the apps...and everything is running on 2 disks in RAID1 (yikes). So the console is *somewhat* slow, but nothing that is unbearable.

                                • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?
                                  byrona

                                  For what it is worth, I would like to see everything moved to the web ui, the less reasons I have to log on to the console the better.

                                  By having things done in a web ui access is much easier and it also makes it easier for me to allow more users to perform administrative tasks so long as the permission structure of the system allows me to restrict access as necessary.

                                • Re: Orion perfmon client - why the change?

                                  I am really glad Solarwinds made the decision to move to Web management. In my opinion, i can minimise access to the Orion server which helps to reduce unnecessary errors/faults created - like curious ppl will want to click this and that, run this and that etc. This also help a great deal in our change process.

                                  A request from me will be to improve the usability of the custom properties. I like the way which i can simply copy and paste form previous records, as well as change easily. I really hope you guys can duplicate the same way on the web.

                                  my 2 cents...

                                  scott