48 Replies Latest reply on Jan 22, 2020 3:46 PM by jason.carrier

    Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!

    kbongi

      Between sharing your Network Atlas maps and Worldwide maps, you've all helped us out as we continue to improve the Orion maps. Which is why we want MORE! Show us your Orion Maps (or at least the ones you cannot live without) OR email it directly to me at kristin.bongiovanni@solarwinds.com AND answer the following questions, then we'll award you 500 thwack points. (You must answer the questions as well as share your maps to get points)

       

      1. Share your map(s) below or email it to kristin.bongiovanni@solarwinds.com
      2. Are you still using features from Network Atlas that you NEED to have in Orion Maps?
      3. Why is a feature like Maps or Atlas important to you and your organization? What if you didn't have this feature?

       

      Please submit your maps by December 31, 2019 to receive 500 THWACK points.

        • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
          mesverrum

          1)

           

          2) I think the main things I still use in Atlas that I couldn't do in the new maps are custom labels, custom tooltips, and being able to select and delete connections that I don't want the map to display.  Would be good to just have some kind of "hide this connection" at least.

           

          3)  I find that the main value add in building these maps is it provides a way for someone who knows how everything comes together to document that and make it accessible to the rest of the team.  I may know all the critical interfaces for my WAN topology but the new hire hasn't learned them yet and it's a lot easier to point them to a WAN dashboard in Orion than to actually sit down and explain all the bits every time.  Similar problems apply to application architectures.

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          • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
            nato

            1.Im still working on it...

            2. I think I am

            3. It shows the network- but can get too busy

            • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
              rschroeder

              I love maps for reports and for training new Network Analysts about our sites.  Maps--when kept current--are a visual shortcut to seeing what may be impacted by losing any piece of hardware or circuit.

               

               

              I need to have fewer places to reference, to keep current, to use as my sources of truth.  Towards that goal, I need maps to be able to display and filter information from Network Atlas so that I don't need to open/use Network Atlas at all any more.  I'm thinking of things like:

              • Showing Netpath information for anything I hover over--node, site, circuit, etc.
              • Discovering and displaying full L1 connectivity between any site. 
                • Then with overlays, display L2 connectivity that relies on the above L1 maps
                • Provide L3 display overlay options
              • But I don't want to have to see every L2 / VLAN / SVI for my devices.  It's a problem with mapping tools for which I haven't found a work around.  Showing me all the L1 or L2 connectivity ONLY between switches and routers, without making the map ridiculously complex.  Nortel's old Enterprise Switch Manager did it well.  If you're interested I'd be happy to discuss this further in detail offline.

               

              Maps and Atlas are important for keeping uptime at five or six 9's.  When we have accurate maps, we know what's supposed to be connected.  If we didn't have maps and atlas, we'd have to buy something to do the discoveries for us, or do the work manually.  I'd done both and ended up more satisfied with the output of the manual discovery and tracking.  But it leaves human error as a factor for making the maps stale.  If someone removes or adds a new device to the network and doesn't add it to the map, the information is unavailable for use when planning and troubleshooting.  If someone makes an error when doing manual map modification, your mileage will vary.

               

              Better still would be having NPM do all the mapping AND automatically learning nodes in the map based on CDP or LLDP information, and then automatically adding them to NCM and NPM monitoring while simultaneously updating the map.  When the map changes due to a node being down, if it had been correctly autodiscovered by the mapping process and added to NPM and NCM, it should stand out like a red light on the front page of NPM, and at the highest level of a map.

               

              Maps should be nested:

              • Organization overview
                • Regional views
                  • Site views
                    • Network Room views (within each site)
                • Data Center views
                  • Broken down by physical location, row, rack
                  • Showing servers AND network connectivity
                • Security view
                  • Firewalls
                  • Proxies
                  • VPN connectivity
                • Monitoring views
                  • Splunk connectivity and exposure to any type of reporting device
                  • Gigamon connectivity and view information
                • Cloud View(s)
                  • Showing every different cloud
                  • Displaying physical location resilience (any resource lives somewhere at some point in time--why not have maps able to show where that resource is / was at a specific time stamp?)
                  • Displaying connectivity to our organization, from any site, to any cloud resource
              • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                designerfx

                2: What we're missing is CLICK TO DRAG. I'm sorry, but holding a key to drag is ridiculous and unintuitive. Either have a button for select mode/drag mode, or a button to press to toggle between. I've not seen applications where click to drag is not a standard feature and I find that grinds my gears   That part is a total UX/UI fail. What if someone is one handed or has a disability? Are they supposed to use their nose? There is no accessibility thought of. Same thing with select/multi-select. And I say this as someone without said disability and I can't even.

                3: I find maps super important! They look good, they have great potential value, and they are literally an important showcase of what I want to do with solarwinds for the organization. I think it will become more and more central as monitoring grows at my company.

                If I didn't have this, I'd be looking at some data visualization app immediately like grafana/plotly/highcharts/nodered/catalytic. I still might for certain things when solarwinds doesn't display metrics properly, but for hierarchy/visualization you guys are on a great path.

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                  • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                    jblankjblank

                    designerfx appreciate the feedback - this was absolutely thought of and debated heavily during the design process. This was also never brought up as an issue or concern during any user testing, Beta, RC, or the 2019.2 release.  That being said, it is certainly an option that could always be changed, but what about when you want to perform a lasso or marque selection?  Are you going to want to click a button to be able to do that every time? 

                     

                    What is the issue with select or multi-select?

                      • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                        designerfx

                        jblankjblank I agree with your assessment of how triggering a lasso would be 100% fine - so long as there is a lasso button . It's really the same premise. I don't know if people complain about MS paint having a lasso, as a common application. The reason I mention the same about multiple selections is because how would I also theoretically do that if I had a disability/single hand? Same potential issue.

                         

                        However, if I show anyone Orion they're going to expect click to drag as basically a standard function. Not "hold a button to do it".

                        People wouldn't have mentioned it in 2019.2 because new maps weren't even worth considering in 2019.2, to be frank . With 2019.4 you really brought the heat as far as bringing a lot of the features forward and now it's something people are going to look at   My argument for click to drag is the worldmap We have it there, so it's not like it's even outside of Orion functionality in other places.

                          • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                            jblankjblank

                            Thank you for sharing your thoughts designerfx.  We always strive to think about our different users and use cases in the design of our features, and yet we cannot always win everyone over.  I can understand your opinion on the click to drag behavior, as a matter of fact, this was the way we implemented that functionality in the static sub-view maps on details pages.  In our goal to provide a web based designer we did quite a bit of research, and the current implemented functionality is no different than the likes of Visio, Lucid Chart, DrawIO, or even Adobe Photoshop and more.  So the click space bar to pan the map appeared to be fairly common functionality across many different tools.  We can certainly add some functions to make it more accessible and easier to use and have hopes to do so.  This would be a perfect opportunity for you to submit a feature request where we could track interest in making a change.  Maybe something like scroll bars around the canvas would make this easier without changing the behavior?  Again, open to feedback. 

                             

                            With every release we want to make adjustments, enhance what is existing to improve usability, and also add new functionality.  It is always a game (quite frustrating at times) of balance.  Unfortunately we can't just flip a switch or get everything we wanted in each release.  The 2019.2 release was no exception.  While you found it not worth considering, many others were quite pleased to see the newly added functionality.  The Maps Team is really our own worst critic and while we would have loved to include more, we were doing something that had never been done before in a new framework by creating a new web based editor in Orion, as well as a new responsive graph widget.  With all the touch points that maps have within the platform, this was quite a monumental task which we are very proud of.  More importantly, this allows us to gather useful feedback as we continue to develop the feature, rather than just sit on some cool functionality that could be useful to some. 

                             

                            We hope that the latest changes and future releases provide functionality that improve the usability of the platform and offer a critical tool for visualizing data in Orion.  We have a lot more we want to accomplish and provide to all of you to make it even better.  The 3 question in this thread is so that we can share these thoughts with the business to ensure we continue to get to do so.  Thank you. 

                      • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                        lesojiri

                        Hi,

                        a few maps :

                         

                        2.     In Orion Maps, I'd like a similar scalability to Network Atlas. Line types - broken/angled line.
                        I do not need Icons, I prefer to see node status for the first look, so simple graffic is enough

                        Well definable dependence of maps, which did not work well in Atlas. I'd like to transfer status between nested maps only in a specified direction - for example, from a hierarchically subordinate map to a parent map, but not vice versa.

                        This makes it easy to trace a network fault - I simply follow the alarm "red" color from a higher-level network infrastructure map to a lower-level map (from core through distribution to access).

                         

                        3.     The map is one of the most important things we use, it provides a simple insight into the topology of the network, and humanly shows the dependencies of the individual elements of the network.
                        The map simplifies troubleshooting, development planning, simply everything is a very,very,very important tool.

                         

                        My work is basically impossible without maps.

                         

                         

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                        • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                          stuartd

                          Having being told, literally this morning, that we upgarded to the latest version last night I have had a play this morning.

                           

                          So, eMail has been sent with sample map, but will break out our "needs" below as well.

                           

                          • Add manual bits of information associated to nodes – so i.e. ‘add label’
                          • We need to be able to rename / re-label devices on the fly.
                          • We need to be able to have the node names appear across several lines i.e
                            This_IS_My_Device1

                            Could be:

                          • This_Is_My
                            _Device1

                           

                          • We need to be able to move the node name to a more visible / appropriate location for readability. As has been said above, visibility quickly becomes 'complicated' in busier maps.
                          • Being able to re-edit a manual link at a later stage without having to delete and re-create to change options (e.g. change this map only to all maps)
                          • Ability to edit auto-created links and remove one half or at least replace it with a manual link or edit the ingress / egress aspect as described for WAN links.
                          • We need to be able to depict trunk links or multiple links between nodes as individual links and not merged down into one line. In my fiddling, Inote these are being merged down to one line and when this line is selected the map properties don't show all info expected
                          • An ability to hide / remove / delete specific links
                          • An ability to change the node icons to be ones of our choice – e.g. to differentiate between firewalls manufacturers
                          • Provide editable Layer 2 and / or Layer 3 views so we can switch and see VLANs, traffic flow, etc
                          • Ability to flex / bend / curve links around devices rather than crossing the streams.

                           

                          There may be more, but these are just from a quick play this morning.

                           

                          Oh and not in my eMail....

                           

                          • An ability to select where the map is displayed. Cavet: this may be possible already and I haven't yet discovered how
                          • Provide a library of custom shapes / images - e.g boxes, clouds, buildings, etc

                           

                          These next two are odd and it might be related to my adding an image and linking to it (a la WAN connection) but I lost  the following two abilities.

                          • Able to edit the size of images after they've been added - again, this may be there but I can't see it.
                          • Able to "send to back / send backwards" with images

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                          • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                            patkbrennan

                            2. I'd like to have the option to customize captions and icons. Also, connecting containers would be nice. In the above picture I would show the connections between containers and not have it be dependent on an actual interface.

                                In Network Atlas, we could make swql calls for captions like $[caption] and $[ip_address}.

                             

                            3. Maps are critical to our operation. The ability to see how a device is connected is a great time saver. If I didn't have a map feature available, I'd go look for a product that did.

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                            • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                              lesojiri

                              My first three-day experience using Orion Maps 2.0 in a test environment

                               

                              Some things may have been described by other users, so I'm sorry to repeat them.

                               

                                   I have to say that the platform is powerful and the map with more than 300 devices works fast. There is a few things wich are not optimal from my point of wiew.

                               

                              In map display mode  - edit/work abilities

                               

                              - map pan using SPACE + Mouse drag - could you skip SPACE? Set up controls similar to google maps or how is in an automatically generated map, just mouse click and mouse move?

                              - Zoom IN / OUT - without pressing CTRL, just mouse wheel - (ie google maps or automatic maps)

                               

                              - Custom maps Zoom IN / OUT - finer stepping, There is a big difference between scales. The map is totally unreadable from one zoom stage to another one.

                               

                               

                              - In map display mode, I miss the option of returning to "Maps sumary view" - what it looks like when it is launched from the main toolbar. If I finish editing one map and want to create a new map or edit another existing map I have to go through the main toolbar.

                               

                              Maps sumary

                              Maps summary view

                              Map view / edit

                                 - how to get from here to Maps summary ?

                               

                               

                               

                              USER rights  - It is written in the user manual :

                               

                              List of maps: Review available Orion Maps. By default, the list shows maps created by you. If you have Administrator rights, you can display Orion Maps created by other users.

                               

                                 - does it mean that users without admin rights are not abble to view and edit maps created by a different user ?

                               

                                 - I do not want to give Admin rights to all user, many users should have "Edit Map" rights and  they should be abble to edit any map unless right limitation set for a specific map.

                               

                               

                               

                              Filtering in map editor

                               

                              - I couldn't filter based on IP subnet address

                              - I set the Property - "IP Address" - value = 10.247.168.

                              - The filter correctly found 24 existing IP addresses

                              - I used the option "All" in the left side combo box + "Select all 24 object" on the top right it led to the choice of all IPs in the system

                              - if I used the "All Pages" option - all IPs were selected immediately

                               

                                       - a selected values column contains all IP's in system I set the filter in any way.

                               

                               

                               

                               

                              Custom Connections :

                               

                              - Drawing two custom connections between two points on a network does not draw two parallel connections, but puts them over each other. Both connections are visible in the edit field. (Network Atlas draws multiple concurrent connections).

                               

                               

                              - edit of the Custom connection - how to ?  Must be deleted and created from scratch ?

                               

                               

                              - I would like to be able to create a "Custom Connect" between any points without assigning parameters. It is an interconnection of interdependent network elements, but they do not have any interface that could be used for binding.

                              (in my case it is a connection of two switches using a radio link, this radio devices does not have an appropriate interface in SNMP that would represent a radio link, or it is only about a connection of ICMP only node with switch interface.

                              - it is only a graphical connection.

                              (there was possible to connect Interface on one node (A side) to another node itself (B side)  , status was taken from the interface on A side if necessary.)

                               

                               

                               

                               

                                   There is still the biggest problem I have with maps -  How to get to the map where the device is located?

                                   I don't mean an automatically generated map on the Node details page, but my own map with the full topological context of the network, not just the surrounding, directly connected elements. Best for custom map which we fully edit according to our needs.    

                                   I would like to get to the right map, for example from the central search page or from the Node detail view.

                               

                              Thank you

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                                • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                  mesverrum

                                  To your last point about how do I get to map x, it made me think when I get back to my computer and have some time this week I think I'll write a swql query that you can search and it will display all maps containing the specific node.  I've given the team this feedback already, but the way the maps data sits in the database is extremely readable json that gives me high hopes for being able to make changes and new maps and such with code in the future.

                                  • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                    jblankjblank

                                    Thank you Jiri - I have responded to some of your questions - much of these might be great feature requests to generate and get community feedback as well. 

                                     

                                     

                                    In map display mode  - edit/work abilities

                                     

                                    - map pan using SPACE + Mouse drag - could you skip SPACE? Set up controls similar to google maps or how is in an automatically generated map, just mouse click and mouse move?

                                    JB - In the Map Editor > this was purposely designed to mimic other design tools such as Visio.  From our research Click + Drag typically initiates a marque selection/ Lasso.  Would you rather have Click + Drag Pan the map and have to enter a "mode" by pressing a button to Lasso?

                                     

                                    - Zoom IN / OUT - without pressing CTRL, just mouse wheel - (ie google maps or automatic maps)

                                    JB - Similar to the above.

                                     

                                    - Custom maps Zoom IN / OUT - finer stepping, There is a big difference between scales. The map is totally unreadable from one zoom stage to another one.

                                    JB - I agree - this is great feedback and something we have heard and we will see what we can do. 

                                     

                                    - In map display mode, I miss the option of returning to "Maps sumary view" - what it looks like when it is launched from the main toolbar. If I finish editing one map and want to create a new map or edit another existing map I have to go through the main toolbar.

                                    JB - This is also great feedback - just a quick way to get back to the Map Management Page makes sense.  

                                     

                                      

                                    USER rights  - It is written in the user manual :

                                     

                                    List of maps: Review available Orion Maps. By default, the list shows maps created by you. If you have Administrator rights, you can display Orion Maps created by other users.

                                     

                                       - does it mean that users without admin rights are not abble to view and edit maps created by a different user ?

                                    JB - what this means is that anyone can create a map.  You will see only the map projects you created.  If you have Admin Rights you have the ability to click the toggle to see all maps.  Still that admin won't be able to edit a map created by user 1, they can perform a Save As function to in essence copy the map and save it as a new name.  Of course a user could also share the map with another user, but if editing they would have to perform a Save As also.  This is to ensure the original is not changed without the owner making the changes.  If you only want to keep one map, you could certainly Save As, make changes, and then delete the old map.  We are hoping to add improvements in the future around this functionality.

                                     

                                       - I do not want to give Admin rights to all user, many users should have "Edit Map" rights and  they should be abble to edit any map unless right limitation set for a specific map.

                                    JB - Limitations certainly work within Orion Maps, but we may be able to come up with some mechanism to allow multiple owners of a map in the future. 

                                     

                                     

                                    Filtering in map editor

                                    JB - In this case the property is IP Address, so if you were to perform the search, which looked like it gave correct results, you can also expand the number of options viewed by clicking the [1-10] and expanding the number of results, then selecting All.  Does that work?

                                     

                                    - I couldn't filter based on IP subnet address

                                    - I set the Property - "IP Address" - value = 10.247.168.

                                    - The filter correctly found 24 existing IP addresses

                                    - I used the option "All" in the left side combo box + "Select all 24 object" on the top right it led to the choice of all IPs in the system

                                    - if I used the "All Pages" option - all IPs were selected immediately

                                     

                                     

                                    Custom Connections :

                                     

                                    - Drawing two custom connections between two points on a network does not draw two parallel connections, but puts them over each other. Both connections are visible in the edit field. (Network Atlas draws multiple concurrent connections).

                                     

                                     

                                    - edit of the Custom connection - how to ?  Must be deleted and created from scratch ?

                                    JB - Correct, currently there is not a way in which to "Edit" a custom connection.  You would need to delete and re-create.  You are also correct that the we do not create two parallel connections.  This was done in order to balance the amount of data shown on the screen to keep it as neat as possible.  We show a single connection but will roll up the worst status for any connection that exists between those two entities.  This would be another great example of a feature request to enable the ability to show all connections between nodes.

                                     

                                     

                                    - I would like to be able to create a "Custom Connect" between any points without assigning parameters. It is an interconnection of interdependent network elements, but they do not have any interface that could be used for binding.

                                    (in my case it is a connection of two switches using a radio link, this radio devices does not have an appropriate interface in SNMP that would represent a radio link, or it is only about a connection of ICMP only node with switch interface.

                                    - it is only a graphical connection.

                                    (there was possible to connect Interface on one node (A side) to another node itself (B side)  , status was taken from the interface on A side if necessary.)

                                    JB - This can be accomplished today by defining a dependency between the two objects.  It sounds like you would like a mechanism for doing this directly from the map which is certainly something we are hoping to accomplish.   

                                     

                                    There is still the biggest problem I have with maps -  How to get to the map where the device is located?

                                    I don't mean an automatically generated map on the Node details page, but my own map with the full topological context of the network, not just the surrounding, directly connected elements. Best for custom map which we fully edit according to our needs.   

                                    I would like to get to the right map, for example from the central search page or from the Node detail view.

                                    JB - So here it sounds like you are looking for a way to determine which maps a Node is a member of?  Are you also looking to have any maps that node/entity is a part of easily accessible from a details page?

                                      • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                        lesojiri

                                        Hello,

                                         

                                        Thank you for answers and new questions.

                                         

                                        In map display mode  - edit/work abilities

                                         

                                        Would you rather have Click + Drag Pan the map and have to enter a "mode" by pressing a button to Lasso?

                                        - for me is better to use "shift" + pressing a button to Lasso .       That was the way I used at the beginning because it was natural to me (and to all my colleagues who also tried the map editor,  no one was hapy to pan the map with space)

                                         

                                        User rights

                                         

                                        - does it mean that users without admin rights are not abble to view and edit maps created by a different user ?

                                             It is important for us that all users (with permission) share (read / edit) the same maps. If I change something as a network administrator it must be visible to other users, for our NIGHT in maps where they expect the information. We don't have users with their own maps, we only have common maps that all users work with (network and network maps are our "source of truth").

                                             I'll be waiting for the new features you wrote (multiple map owner).

                                         

                                        Filtering in map editor

                                         

                                        expand the number of options viewed by clicking the [1-10] and expanding the number of results, then selecting All.  Does that work?

                                        - yes it works,  I expanded the display to 100 and used ALL - all 24 existing IPs in the range were selected. 

                                             Anyway, there is a malfunctioning "select all xx objects" option - it a bug to be solved.

                                         

                                        Custom Connections :

                                         

                                        OK, I have to try to create dependence of two objects and whether I will be able to graphically connect them on the map

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        There is still the biggest problem I have with maps -  How to get to the map where the device is located?

                                        I don't mean an automatically generated map on the Node details page, but my own map with the full topological context of the network, not just the surrounding, directly connected elements. Best for custom map which we fully edit according to our needs.  

                                        I would like to get to the right map, for example from the central search page or from the Node detail view.

                                        JB - So here it sounds like you are looking for a way to determine which maps a Node is a member of?  Are you also looking to have any maps that node/entity is a part of easily accessible from a details page?

                                         

                                        - Exactly, I would need a quick trip from "node details" page or a "Search" results page    - looking for a node named "XXXX" and I need  to go quickly to the map with node "XXXX" to get a quick graphical overview of the status of the network.   Because I just don't remember the geographical context and dependencies of all 8000 devices on the network.

                                         

                                        Regards.

                                         

                                        Jiri

                                    • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                      superfly99

                                      Was just doing today's mission question when I noticed this in the demo (https://oriondemo.solarwinds.com/Orion/SummaryView.aspx?netobject=&ViewID=491)

                                       

                                       

                                      Someone needs to tell whoever set the page up that there's a wonderful new feature called Orion Maps!

                                      • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                        kingslider

                                        We are (finally) in the active process of migrating from NPM version 10.6 to the latest stable release, around v12.5. The old version currently in production only has Network Atlas, and I have used the Orion Maps module in the proof of concept and development instance here at work. Addressing the questions below inline.

                                         

                                        1. Share your map(s) below or email it to kristin.bongiovanni@solarwinds.com

                                        A: Shared below- this is one example of one site which intrinsically helps us identify very quickly the status of a site, including WAN/LAN, and wireless.

                                         

                                        2. Are you still using features from Network Atlas that you NEED to have in Orion Maps?

                                        A: We are using both, but only int he sense of migration to ensure we can leverage same functionality in old AND new. There do no seem to be any dependencies necessarily that we are not getting with the new existing in the old.

                                         

                                        3. Why is a feature like Maps or Atlas important to you and your organization? What if you didn't have this feature?

                                        A: Mapping is one way to visually bring context to the information and status that monitoring presents. Orion Maps and Atlas both have played and will play a pivotal role, without which we might not have the same comprehensive view or context.

                                         

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                                        • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                          rocco_2016
                                          1. Quick Maps and Loaded onto quick View. Love Maps. Just missing custom labels
                                          2. Are you still using features from Network Atlas that you NEED to have in Orion Maps? Custom Labeling
                                          3. Why is a feature like Maps or Atlas important to you and your organization? What if you didn't have this feature? Monitoring department are wanting to use a lot of NOC screens throughout the business.
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                                          • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                            saw10

                                            I have tried to recreate maps in Orion Maps and have not been able to get the detail and formatting that I can get in Network Atlas.

                                             

                                            Also I am unsure if I can display custom properties

                                             

                                            I have tried to recreate some of my maps and ended up very disappointed with the results.  My biggest issue is with the ability to control the layout of the connections.

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                                            • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                              mjalden1
                                              1. Are you still using features from Network Atlas that you NEED to have in Orion Maps?

                                              Yes we still currently use Network Atlas because Orion maps cannot meet our needs.

                                               

                                              1. Why is a feature like Maps or Atlas important to you and your organization? What if you didn't have this feature?

                                               

                                              All Maps must be legible when in NOC view. Orion maps on a projector for NOC view is impossible. It’s too busy cannot change anything. We also monitor temp for Datacenter. This is monitored from the Custom MIB Poller that is integrated into Network Atlas. We  need to be able to create icons for L3 Encryptors and then assign them to an interface without monitoring the device in Solarwinds as a node.

                                               

                                              The main issue with Orion Maps are the Lines. I cannot change the Color, Size and Type. I need a map to reflect Tunnels (Dash Line), Direct Connections(Solid Line), and Link size(Thicker line), Black Line for up status not Green.

                                              I also need to have cloud or any icon to show remote sites and then be able to click remote site to see their architecture. (This is the nested Maps)

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                                              • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                                eladamtwelve

                                                Here is a portion of a map I am working on.  I really like that I can create manual connections between interfaces like I have done below, but I would like to have the discovered connection be removable, or have the option to aggregate the traffic stats from both manually defined connections.  You can see that the discovered connection is using the stats from 1/0/9 and 1:1.  When there are multiple discovered connections, it seems to choose just one and show the stats for it.

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                                                • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                                  Callahan

                                                  This version is getting better! but I think it's still lacking some basic features. Some have mentioned previously, but I'll toss my votes in for the following:

                                                   

                                                  • Custom Labels/Text box fields
                                                    • We have a map for every remote site that we operate. On each map, we like to toss in other addition labels that are useful when it comes to supporting that location. Things like, Primary contact at the site, Circuit information, ISP support contact info. That way, you just have to look at the map for that site, to get all support information that you need. Right now, we are adding that my importing an image with text. It's a rather cumbersome method, especially if you need to edit it.
                                                  • Allow others users to edit maps
                                                    • Now this may be something that's available, but I haven't figure it out yet. But we had an intern create all our maps for us, his term has now ended. When I go to edit the map, it doesn't actually let me edit the map he created. I have to edit it, and save it as a new map, then delete the previous one that was created. We have a group of users that would have the authority to edit these maps, it'd be nice to allow all said users the ability the edit the map.
                                                  • Edit the line shape/format/colour
                                                    • Figured something like this would have been in v1 of Maps (again, unless it is, and I'm missing something), but the ability to edit the shape of the connector line should be a given. The straight/fat connectors that are used now doesn't allow us to edit a map to give it a clean "flow" to it, it's just a bunch of random star bursts everywhere with the usage of straight lines. Also adjusting the colour of the lines for any preferred colour coding, along with the thickness of it could allow us to create cleaner diagrams.
                                                  • Heat Maps
                                                    • Any plans to migrate heat map capabilities to this version of maps?
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                                                    • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                                      jblankjblank

                                                      Callahan - thanks for sharing feedback!

                                                       

                                                      • Custom Labels/Text box fields - JB - We agree this is something that is critical - and something we are certainly working on.
                                                        • We have a map for every remote site that we operate. On each map, we like to toss in other addition labels that are useful when it comes to supporting that location. Things like, Primary contact at the site, Circuit information, ISP support contact info. That way, you just have to look at the map for that site, to get all support information that you need. Right now, we are adding that my importing an image with text. It's a rather cumbersome method, especially if you need to edit it.
                                                      • Allow others users to edit maps - JB - Noted - this is something we are exploring - but in this fashion there is some version control to some extent.  Great feedback.
                                                        • Now this may be something that's available, but I haven't figure it out yet. But we had an intern create all our maps for us, his term has now ended. When I go to edit the map, it doesn't actually let me edit the map he created. I have to edit it, and save it as a new map, then delete the previous one that was created. We have a group of users that would have the authority to edit these maps, it'd be nice to allow all said users the ability the edit the map.
                                                      • Edit the line shape/format/color - JB - When you say "shape" of the connector - I assume you are referring to being able to create right angles or curved connections.  We know this is important for reasons such as data density and something we hope to allow users to be able to do in a future release.  I am trying to get this accomplished sooner than later.  If you have any screenshots for what a "Clean Flow" looks like for you - I would love to see an example of it.  Also curious what you would want to adjust color of the lines for?  Do you not want these connections representing status conditions?  The goal is to have some standardization there so curious what your thoughts are here as well. 
                                                        • Figured something like this would have been in v1 of Maps (again, unless it is, and I'm missing something), but the ability to edit the shape of the connector line should be a given. The straight/fat connectors that are used now doesn't allow us to edit a map to give it a clean "flow" to it, it's just a bunch of random star bursts everywhere with the usage of straight lines. Also adjusting the colour of the lines for any preferred colour coding, along with the thickness of it could allow us to create cleaner diagrams.
                                                      • Heat Maps - JB - this is not something on the short term roadmap for the Orion Map project, but I know something jason.carrier is very interested in finding out if this feature is still valuable in your organization.
                                                        • Any plans to migrate heat map capabilities to this version of maps?
                                                        • Re: Before the decade ends, show us your Orion Maps AND answer a few questions about them -- for 500 THWACK points!
                                                          Callahan

                                                          jblankjblank  wrote:

                                                           

                                                          • Edit the line shape/format/color - JB - When you say "shape" of the connector - I assume you are referring to being able to create right angles or curved connections.  We know this is important for reasons such as data density and something we hope to allow users to be able to do in a future release.  I am trying to get this accomplished sooner than later.  If you have any screenshots for what a "Clean Flow" looks like for you - I would love to see an example of it.  Also curious what you would want to adjust color of the lines for?  Do you not want these connections representing status conditions?  The goal is to have some standardization there so curious what your thoughts are here as well.

                                                           

                                                          • Heat Maps - JB - this is not something on the short term roadmap for the Orion Map project, but I know something jason.carrier is very interested in finding out if this feature is still valuable in your organization.

                                                           

                                                          Thanks jblankjblank! in response to the bolded.

                                                           

                                                          Correct on the right angle/curved connections, that'd be nice! But also the weight/thickness of the connector line as well. There are quick thick by default and can create overlapping portions when you have multiple connectors on an object. As for colour coding, I've used them differently in various organizations as a quick visualizer for things like bandwidth on links, different colours for 1/10/25/40/100 gb links (at their request). I've also used them to to display active/failover paths as well.

                                                           

                                                          Heat Maps, we use currently use it, but not to what I think could be the full potential of it. If you're a Cisco shop, I think the DNA center appliance will cover a lot of these...but that's expensive. But if you're looking to offer some of that functionality, things like being able to see the AP that a user is connected on, and the current signal strength, along with historical session data (so you can capture the "It didn't work yesterday" type requests). Those would be handy!

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