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Wireless Networks and things that just don't make sense...

Level 12

First of all, I know that I said that the next post would have more information about disaster recovery scenarios. However, this topic is hot on my mind and I'm in a location with very limited internet access this week so I'm going to defer the additional disaster recovery information for something that is more interesting to me at the moment...

I'd like to talk a little bit about wireless networks. For those of you that have been using wireless networks for a few years, you'll agree that they've come a long, long ways. I'm sure that someone will argue with me here, but nowadays I have a hard time justifying cabling a new office vs. using a next-gen wireless infrastructure. The new wireless network equipment from Aruba, Cisco, Proxim, and others is very reliable, easy to deploy and manage, and offers more bandwidth to the desktop than the typical user will need for years to come. It's easy to deploy, inexpensive, and in the cube-land that most of us live in it works very reliably.

<warning - vicious rant follows>
This week I'm staying at a hotel out in Tinton Falls, New Jersey. It's an area frequented by technical people as AT&T, the US Army, and others have tech centers here. So why is it that the hotels here have such horribly slow internet access? And more directly, why is it that in today's day and age so many of the hotels that we frequent still don't have wireless networks available? This is, in my opinion, pretty freaking ridiculous. As a technical person (and especially as a network engineer) I guess I just expect better than this. I mean, come on. How many of us have high-speed wireless networks at home? My son setup the last wireless system that we bought for my house and he was 12 at the time - there really are no excuses here... I mean, given a choice of sitting at a desk and using the free wired access or being able to sit comfortably in bed, watching TV and working via a wireless connection - who wouldn't pay an extra $10 for the convenience of wireless? I sure as heck would... These guys are missing both an opportunity to enhance customer service and an opportunity to increase revenues... What gives?
<end rant>

With regards to wireless infrastructure, there are three primary categories of wireless equipment. First, there are small, inexpensive wireless devices intended for homes and small businesses. These are the devices made by Linksys (Cisco), Netgear, Belkin, D-Link, and the like. These devices are very affordable and easy to configure but don't offer the manageability or performance that you need in the enterprise environment.

Next, with regards to enterprise class wireless infrastructure, there are two primary classes - systems using fat WAPs and systems using thin WAPs. There are many different terms for these technologies and some people don't consider the fat/thin phrasing to be PC but this is how I learned it when the technology was just emerging and the terms stuck with me.

Fat WAP infrastructure is the traditional 802.11x systems where each WAP operates and is managed individually. This technology is very mature - it's been around several years - and it doesn't require very much expertise to set it up.

Thin WAP infrastructure is a bit different. Within this environment you have a central WAP switch that acts as the brain of the operation. Then, you have dumb WAPs that basically act as antennas - bridging the wireless networks from the switch out into the areas where wireless access is desired. While this architecture is a bit more complicated and harder to setup it can offer huge advantages in terms of advanced features and manageability. I have a good friend who is one of the old timers over at Aruba and some of that they and Cisco can offer through their next-gen wireless technology is really amazing. Imagine being able to walk anywhere in your company carrying your laptop, without ever losing wireless access, changing IP addresses, VLAN, or etc... I'll see if I can get my buddy to post some information about some of the more cool features they offer today. 

Now to pay the bills...
As you know, I try to add a little something to every post to help keep the lights on around here. For those of you that have deployed wireless networks or are planning to, Orion does a great job of managing this type of infrastructure. For fat WAP environments, we offer an add-on to Orion called the Wireless Network Module. This is an inexpensive way to enhance Orion so that you can track more information on your wireless network like signal quality, errors, and traffic on a per WAP and per wireless user basis. For those of you that are deploying thin WAP systems, you can use the Custom MIB Poller in Orion to track statistics within the wireless switch for both the thin WAPs and the users connected to the wireless network (the specific statistics will vary a bit based upon the hardware vendor and the information that they make available via their MIBs, but more are very good). If you want to learn more about how Orion can help you manage your wireless infrastructure contact your SolarWinds sales dude and he or she will be more than happy to assist.

That's it for tonight.

Flame on...



Level 12

This is a very old post, but still very good read

Add Ruckus to the list of good enterprise wireless 

Level 12

this is a very good read article

Level 15

This was a good article.  Dated, but relevant. 


Glad to see the improvement on this front, I was at a city park the other day and wondered for a minute why i didn't have wifi for my phone before I had to remind myself it's not quite 100% ubiquitous yet, 

Level 15


Level 20

Wow this is old... I think this is a done deal already now!

I love the title of this "old" Geek Speak topic.  Its content remains valid today, and in light of advanced knowledge and more powerful hardware and more intrusive tools and spying and WikiLeaks and government intrusion (purely for security reasons), etc. folks really must stop ignoring that the convenience of using wireless is paid for by putting your critical applications and data into a medium that is not fast, not reliable, and not secure.

If you have personal or corporate processes that you don't mind becoming inaccessible occasionally, or that you don't care if the apps are a lot slower than the same application accessed via a wired network, or that a stranger can capture & read that traffic--maybe even inject alternate content to the flow without your knowledge . . .  well, welcome to that world where ignorance is bliss.

But as we've seen with the many recently revealed cases of IoT devices costing people their bank accounts or their reputations or their personal security, one really ought not put important things out on a wireless network. 

"Where has all the data gone, long time passing . . .    When will they ever learn?"

Level 13

so funny to read something so old!


Wireless is in a constant state of change and re-examining is always in order. We use wireless very heavily, but still a wired connection is more reliable - especially with a Gig infrastructure with a 40 gig backbone.

Level 15

Amainzing 40 gigas backbone. Free of lost, or with lost ??? Some use N Technologies have a lost in The connections.


The interconnects between switches and our VM infrastructure is all fiber with copper out to the final end points. Our wired infrastructure is 40 Gig between the top of rack switches and the core. To the closets we have multiple 1 gig links which are in the process of being moved to 10 Gig, so we will have a minimum of 20 Gig to each closet. The existing wireless is using N, but we are replacing that, YEAH, with a much better product and it will be all AC. Realistically AC provides better control and information, but the bandwidth will be closer to 300 Meg (to maximize available channels) However the technology that we are going to be using gets the clients on and off the network faster than most vendors so the user experience is much better than most.

Level 15

I liked. Very good.

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Wireless Networks and things that just don't make sense...

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Level 9

Interesting Post Josh;  I  think now a days the wireless is getting its preference as  an important part of network.  Wireless gives you more work freedom and now it can get up to 10 Gig speed.

The security features and control of RF signals made the people to trust the wirless.

Some of the Enterprise Wireless  such as Ruckus and Cisco are great.

Level 12

thanks for the post