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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
bshopp
May 19, 2009 8:41 AM
What specific items would be valuable for you to see within Orion on the WAAS
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
That is a very good question...
I will chat to the senior network engineers and get more details on what they are after...
From what i understand NetQoS is currently one of the only products to retrieve the data correctly and accurately (don't quote me on this though)
From my understanding they are after Graphs displaying the percentage of accelerated traffic, what's been saved by using WAAS, and the breakdown of the traffic (similar to Netflow)
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
These type of reports are built into the Central Manager in the WAAS deployment.
4.1.1b and higher will give you better reporting.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
Elliott,
Thanks for the response. At the moment we are retrieving our reporting from the Central Manager however my boss would like to have everything within Solarwinds and Automated reporting / alerting from there, this would also allow the collection of all WAAS Statistics by solarwinds as well and could add another graph to the Node Details page.
Not sure if it will ever be possible but can always hope :)
Thanks
Michael
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
I'm going to bump this. We are doing a WAAS proff of concept and CA brough in NetQoS at the same time. It looks like they can pull the stats directly into their product and that the WAE's can send the flow data to their collectors. It might be something for SW to look into.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
I'm going to bump this. We are doing a WAAS proff of concept and CA brough in NetQoS at the same time. It looks like they can pull the stats directly into their product and that the WAE's can send the flow data to their collectors. It might be something for SW to look into.
I second this motion. My boss and co-workers would love to see flow data in Orion.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
I'd also use this feature on a daily basis. The stats I'd be most interested in would be Compression/Acceleration, active connection counts, WAAS Alarms and being able to see the weird WAAS interfaces like InlinePort 1/1/lan.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
bshopp
Aug 6, 2010 4:10 PM
Gotcha, I met with Eric today and got his input and passed it on to Chris, the NTA PM. Regarding NPM for WAAS what stuff could you or do you pull via UnDP today?
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This is something we are now currently very interested in.
Is this even a distant roapmap item?
Dave.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
derik.pfeffer
Dec 7, 2011 10:01 AM
PM Team,
I am currently on a project where the Customer is rolling out the Cisco WAAS Devices (200+) and I wanted to know what out of the box support is there. I am also reviewing the use of NCM against these same systems. Any feedback would be appreciated.
Derik
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
All,
Thanks for your input about WAAS.
Not on the product plan but we are recording your voices (97948).
We have looked into this in the past, and at the time, SNMP support for WAAS was questionable.
This document indicates that SNMP support is good, but does anybody know about the real-life implementation of the agent?
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/app_ntwk_services/waas/waas/v421/monitoring/guide/MG_SNMP.pdf
Having some walks would definitely help us.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
derik.pfeffer
Jan 9, 2012 12:20 PM
Francois,
Thanks for the response on the SNMP Support for WAAS, it might be possible for me to get you a MIB walk for this device. I would also like to know how NTA works with the WAAS platform as well. We have been trying for a couple of days to get Netflow to show up in Orion NTA, with little success... Any assistance would be appreciated.
Derik
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
"I would also like to know how NTA works with the WAAS platform as well. We have been trying for a couple of days to get Netflow to show up in Orion NTA, with little success... Any assistance would be appreciated."
We also have this need here. SWI needs to implement on NTA the WAAS flow collection; a lot of sulutions are doing that already.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
I would also like to see this natively supported in future versions of NPM. I have attached an snmp walk from one of our WAE-674-K9. You will need to rename the file extension from .cs to .csv since I couldn't attach a .csv file.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
derik.pfeffer
Jan 24, 2012 8:41 AM
Product Team,
Any word on being able to support the Cisco WAAS Platform across the various Orion Products (NPM, NTA via API, NCM, etc..)? member Harrijs was nice enough to upload a MIB walk as requested. Also, the issue raised by RoutingGeek on the Memory being incorrectly reported in NPM, has that been resolved as of yet?
Derik
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
Harrijs, Derik,
Thanks for the input (and the walk, Harrijs).
WAAS is not on the roadmap, because we don't see enough traction yet (growing though).
The enhancement is opened (97948).
At this time, creating UnDP pollers for the interesting OIDs is the only way.
Talking about interesting OIDs, we have heard that the optimization data (the most important, traffic before vs. after optimization, is actually not in SNMP but available through XML only).
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
+1 on this request. Cisco's Central Manager is a pain. We have enough places to get information that having these details centraled in NPM would be great. Things of most interest would be the "compression" graphs, and the sub-compression graphs for the top accelerators (IE: HTTP, CIFS, Citrix).
Also, anyone else notice that the jump to Orion NPM 10.2.1 breaks the memory monitoring of WAEs? Since the upgrade last week, Solarwinds is showing all of my WAEs at 99-100% memory utilization, but the boxes themselves show otherwise. Right now, one box that shows in SOlarWinds as 99% is really at 80% based on "show memory" output from the WAE.
(SolarWind's Case #299944 - "NPM 10.2.1 breaks memory stats on Cisco WAAS)
Thanks,
David.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
Hi David,
I just upgraded to 10.2 and have noticed this too what was the resolution to your case?
Regards
Ciaran
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
Hello Ciaran,
Are you able to collect MIB walk from your device using built in SnmpWalk.exe tool (located in Orion installation directory)? Also, please provide a screenshot/information from device's console, so we know which are the valid values for memory size and memory used reported by device's OS.
Thanks,
Marek
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
I don't have access to the devices apart from a monitoring perspective. This isn't specific to one device. All the WAE boxes show indetical behaviour since I upgraded, looks like an OID might have changed. I'm working on getting access to the devices to get a different perspective of the memory stats
Ciaran
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I´m seeing the same behaviour on my NPM 10.2.2 install.
Did you find a solution for this ?
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Jasper,I have opened a support ticket for this but have not yet made any progress. I will keep you updated with this as information becomes available
Regards
Ciaran
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
Hi folks,
my case has gone in a different direction for now to deal with a more pressing issue, so I managed to do some digging and I have for the first time been able to access one of these WAE boxes to look around and see what the command line tells me what it thinks the memory utilisation is. Going by the output below it looks like the currrent reading in Orion since the Upgrade is now the correct value. Which means the value prior to the upgrade was incorrect whatever NPM was polling to get that previous value I do not know. See the output below it exquates to 92% memory utilisation which is what NPM is now telling me in the web.
I am now trying to gain access to further WAE devices to see if their data matches that of this device.
WAAS1-WAE#sh proc mem
Total Used Free Shared Buffers Cached
986476544 909725696 76750848 0 29618176 201039872
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
+1 on this request - would like to see native support in NPM for WAAS devices. Anyone have any updates?
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
Leon Adato
Jun 20, 2013 3:16 PM
Adding my voice to the mix. We have a need of it at my company as well.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
WAAS Flow Monitoring is very specific and these flows can be processed only by NetQoS and you will need NetQoS SuperAgent for this. The NetQoS SuperAgent processes the flows received from WAAS FlowAgent (which again was developed by NetQoS) sitting on the WAE. More details in the below link:
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/nsite/enterprise/wan/wan_optimization/chap04.html#wp1053045
There is some solutions that does that using API; because Cisco let you do that. SolarWinds should do something like that to a future release.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
Has this made it on to the roadmap yet? We also have a large WAAS implementation in our enterprise and would love to be able to view these stats in Solarwinds NPM.
We are currently running WAAS 5.3.3 & NPM 10.6 and currently send traps for things like TFO Overloads, but being able to see connection stats & graph this data would be extremely beneficial.
Thanks.
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Re: NPM and Cisco WAAS
+1
We have a rather large deployment with current 150 devices and counting.
Would like to see tfo overload, trigger on corespace files found (and action them also, like delete them after x days)
In addition a comparable monitoring of the optimized raw result (how much bandwith saved) to validate the reporting done in WAAS central manager.
